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    Mark Shutleworth is delaying Dapper 6 weeks

    Hi all

    I'm writing to propose a six week delay in the release date of Dapper,
    in order to do additional validation, certification, localisation, and
    polish. I would like to call for a community "town hall" meeting on
    Tuesday 14th March - once at 09:00 UTC (for the Aussies and Asian
    communities) and then again at 18:00 UTC (for Europe and the Americas).
    The meetings will be in #ubuntu-meeting on irc.freenode.net. Based on
    feedback at those meetings, we will ask the Tech Board and the Community
    Council to take a view on the proposal, and announce the decision by the
    end of the week.

    Work towards our feature goals for Dapper is very much on target:

    https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+specs

    Having good tools to track our evolution has made Dapper our
    best-managed release so far. We have deferred very few goals since our
    Montreal planning summit, and have been able to land some unexpected but
    very nice extra features. The new installer is looking good, so we
    could in fact make our target date of April 20 if we decide that is the
    most important thing.

    We have a very good track record of meeting our six monthly release
    dates, and that reputation is not something I want to compromise.

    However, in some senses Dapper is a "first" for us, in that it is the
    first "enterprise quality" release of Ubuntu, for which we plan to offer
    support for a very long time. I, and others, would very much like Dapper
    to stand proud amongst the traditional enterprise linux releases from
    Red Hat, Debian and SUSE as an equal match on quality, support and
    presentation. We would like Ubuntu Dapper to be a release that companies
    can deploy with confidence, which will be the focus of certification
    work from ISV's and IHV's, and which will bring the benefits of Debian
    to a whole new group of users.

    That's certainly a new set of challenges, and I would like to give us a
    few more weeks of work on Dapper in order to make absolutely sure that
    we are, for a period at least (until Etch lands ), the very best
    enterprise desktop and server release in the world.

    I would like the Tech Board to determine, if we delay the final release,
    what the optimal beta, release candidate and target final release dates
    should be, based on the feedback that comes in during this discussion.

    Here are the concrete things I think we can gain from a delay:

    1. Testing
    The Dapper user will likely be new to Linux, and working in a more
    corporate environment than previous Ubuntu release adopters. They will
    likely also be given Dapper to use, rather than choosing it for
    themselves, as Dapper is deployed in larger-scale environments.
    Additional testing time will shake out more bugs and give us a more
    robust codebase to support.

    2. Certification
    There are a number of ISV's and IHV's who are in the process of
    certifying Dapper as part of their solution, and the delay will give us
    an opportunity to ensure that those are ready for the release. I am
    happy to say that we are working towards LSB 3.0 certification of
    Dapper, and the delay greatly reduces any risk of failure to achieve
    that certification.

    3. Localisation
    After the Asia business tour I realised that we need to improve our
    support for Chinese, Japanese, Korean and other Asian fonts,
    translations, input methods and supporting tools. We are pulling
    together a crack team to work on that next week, and I would like to
    land their changes in Dapper. These countries are growing their adoption
    of technology at a very high speed and it would be great to offer them a
    compelling alternative to the traditional route of proprietary software.
    I missed the importance of this in Montreal, I confess, and so did not
    prioritise the work early on in our cycle. I would like to remedy that
    now, rather than waiting two or three years for another enterprise-class
    Ubuntu release.

    In addition, the extra time will help us ensure that all languages
    have better translations available, for the installer and the whole
    desktop environment. We have just done the import of Dapper into
    Rosetta, so those of you with a talent for languages will appreciate the
    extra time to add depth to your language packs.

    4. Polish
    You may have noticed this weeks theming and polish changes. No, we are
    not newly sponsored by Orange . Of course, there is a lot still to be
    done, and with some extra time I think Dapper can look beautiful for
    Kubuntu, Ubuntu and Xubuntu users.

    Speaking of Xubuntu, there is a main inclusion report under discussion
    to make Xubuntu part of main, and to publish ISO's of Xubuntu. The extra
    time makes this a more reasonable proposition.

    There are many groups that are working towards Dapper's release or
    dependent on it in one way or another. For example, folks who are
    writing books with planned release dates, or folks doing work on
    derivative distributions and hardware that needs Dapper to be available.
    I would like to hear from anyone who will be impacted by this potential
    change to see if we can find a way that gives the best result for the
    broad community. Please send me email, and join in on the meetings at
    whichever time suits you best.

    We would like to be able to announce 24x7 global technical support for
    Dapper, both from Canonical and from the fantastic ecosystem of
    companies that is growing up around Ubuntu. We would like to show that a
    Debian-based distribution can deliver the same world class desktop punch
    that you might traditionally expect from Novell or Red Hat. We will live
    with Dapper for five years - so let's give it a few extra weeks now so
    that it can be a real asset to the Ubuntu project for the full duration
    of its lifespan.

    Mark
    https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ub...ch/000734.html
    http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/06/03/11/2041240.shtml

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    Re: Mark Shutleworth is delaying Dapper 6 weeks

    BIG EDIT:
    There's also an ongoing discussion about that in the Dapper section
    http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=142536

    Just to clarify. Mark hasn't decided anything yet. The final decision will be made on March 14, after the community meeting. But if the poll results in the other thread will be an indicator, it might be possible that Dapper will be delayed.
    Last edited by Jucato; March 12th, 2006 at 03:41 PM.

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    Re: Mark Shutleworth is delaying Dapper 6 weeks

    I never go to that part of the forum so I didn't see it. I guess this thread can be locked/deleted.

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    Re: Mark Shutleworth is delaying Dapper 6 weeks

    Nah, just leave it open. Specially for people who don't usually go there, too.
    I'll be honest, I don't go to that section also. I just found out by following a link in one of the threads here. That's how I found out about it.

    Don't worry, your heart is in the right place.
    And so is your thread. It just needed a little linking to somewhere else

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    Re: Mark Shutleworth is delaying Dapper 6 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by BWF89
    I never go to that part of the forum so I didn't see it. I guess this thread can be locked/deleted.
    I hope that it isnt locked/deleted, as this is the only place on the forum that i've actually seen mark's e-mail, so thanks for posting it!

    If someone tells you to sudo rm -rf ANYTHING, then DO NOT DO IT!

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    Re: Mark Shutleworth is delaying Dapper 6 weeks

    The e-mail was also linked to in that other discussion thread that I linked to.

    Anyway, to give credit to BWF89's efforts and concern, I edited my post to be more polite. Sorry BWF89. No hard feelings?

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    Re: Mark Shutleworth is delaying Dapper 6 weeks

    Well I guess this thread is a good idea for people that don't go there and would normally be out of the loop on this issue.

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    Re: Mark Shutleworth is delaying Dapper 6 weeks

    We will leave it open for those who are not testing Dapper to voice their opinion on this. I believe the whole community should be aware of what is going on.
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    Re: Mark Shutleworth is delaying Dapper 6 weeks

    This made Cnet news.com. Here is the link to the article.

    Ubuntu Linux leader proposes six-week delay
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    Re: Mark Shutleworth is delaying Dapper 6 weeks

    Oh crap, mstlyevil beat me to it
    Why did I forget to post that link here, when I posted it on the other thread half an hour ago...

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