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    Re: What would happen if you ran a windows virus using Wine?

    Quote Originally Posted by ardchoille42 View Post
    This is why I say wine/cedega/cxoffice/other are bad things and should not be used at all.
    That's like saying ATMs, debit cards and computers are bad things are people can use them to defraud you so you should stay well clear.

    Wine, Cenege and Crossover Office are tools, just like a hammer.

    If you do stupid things with your hammer then you will bash your finger and get hurt; if you do stupid things with Wine then your system will get hurt.

    It doesn't mean I won't use them, just I will be careful and not do anything blatantly stupid like trying to run malware or virii. I wouldn't willingly do it in Windows, so why should I do it in Linux?
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    Re: What would happen if you ran a windows virus using Wine?

    While reading here and on digg many wondered about the virus files which been created.
    Specialy the one with "teen porn" in the filename.

    What was Matthew Bandy accused of? Jeannie and Greg Bandy were shocked to discover that their son was charged with possession of child pornography.

    One December morning two years ago, Matthew's life took a dramatic turn. In an exclusive interview with "20/20," the Bandy family reveals how the world as they knew it came crumbling down, and how Matthew's life has since changed.

    ....

    "We faced 10 years per count, there were nine counts," said Novak. "If Matt was convicted, those sentences would have to be served consecutively. In other words, he would have been sentenced to 90 years in prison. He would have served time until he died."

    Matthew was in an awful predicament, and he tried to keep his house arrest a secret. He wore longer pants to hide the ankle bracelet, but he was scared he would be discovered.
    The shy young boy could not explain how such pictures appeared on his computer hard drive. The stress of the situation got so bad for Matthew that he told his parents the charges hanging over his head made high school impossible.

    "He said 'Mom, I'm hurting,'" said Jeannie. "'I can't sleep. I don't want to disappoint anybody, but I just can't go on anymore.'"
    http://abcnews.go.com/2020/LegalCent...2785054&page=1

    It wasnt the same scenario but basicly means, that using windows systems are very dangerous to use in these prospects, at least in those states/countrys.
    And this means also that the law is flawed here aswell, destroying lives of innocent because the state has insufficiant information/knowledge of the technologie/user which is judged.
    Last edited by shareMenaPeace; February 24th, 2007 at 09:30 AM.

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    Re: What would happen if you ran a windows virus using Wine?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrHorus View Post
    That's like saying ATMs, debit cards and computers are bad things are people can use them to defraud you so you should stay well clear.

    Wine, Cenege and Crossover Office are tools, just like a hammer.

    If you do stupid things with your hammer then you will bash your finger and get hurt; if you do stupid things with Wine then your system will get hurt.

    It doesn't mean I won't use them, just I will be careful and not do anything blatantly stupid like trying to run malware or virii. I wouldn't willingly do it in Windows, so why should I do it in Linux?
    How many people who have suffered a virus/trojan/worm did so intentionally? Accidents can happen, even when you're careful, but using a poorly designed operating system (and I use the term "operating system" loosely) simply increases your chances of problems.

    People who use Windows apps are always going to find fault in the words and opinions of those of us who criticise the many flaws in that POS operating system.
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    Re: What would happen if you ran a windows virus using Wine?

    Quote Originally Posted by ardchoille42 View Post
    Because wine runs Windows programs.. including viruses, trojans, worms, etc. I've been saying this for a while but no one listens, now we have proof. And, as you saw from an earlier post, those viruses, trojans, worms can wreak havoc in any folder in $HOME as well as system folders. If the infected user runs a virus within the sudo timeout of running a command with sudo, the virus can gain sudo privs. Think about it, if the user runs "sudo command", there is a certain amount of time that the sudo password is cached. If the user runs a virus that calls sudo within that sudo cache timeframe, then the virus can run "sudo rm *** /" and that command will succeed because the virus is running as the sudo user with sudo privs:
    I think this is very extremely highly unlikely scenario, unless the virus was made to look for a sudo command, which would mean it was actually made for Linux, and then why would they go through the trouble of making it for windows, why not just make it for Linux. Secondly I just got rid of over 1300 viruses on my computer, it didn't mess my system up at all! All it did was replicate itself and set dormant waiting to be run with wine, and the worst it could do is ruin my wine installation, which isn't that big of a deal. In all technicality, I didn't even need to remove the 1300 viruses I had, I only did because I share a lot of info with my wife's computer with XP. It really did no damage to my linux system.




    Quote Originally Posted by ardchoille42 View Post
    This is why I say wine/cedega/cxoffice/other are bad things and should not be used at all. It wouldn't be hard (probably already been done) to write a keylogger into a Windows file and capture every keystroke you make and send all your personal info to a server where it is sold to the highest bidder. Some folks think that running Windows apps in wine offers them some layer of protection against bad Windows apps, but this is simply a myth.

    I don't know about others, but the files in my $HOME are more important to me than the rest of the system. I won't ever use Windows files on any of my systems.. and now you see why.
    I for one can tell you if we didn't have wine/cedega/cxoffice/other I for one, would still be dual booting. There are some really great applications out there for Windows, whether we like it or not, it is the most widely used OS on the market, and to make money, the programmers (not all) are going to be making programs for Windows. -- That is not to say anything against our wonderfull Linux programmers that are doing a good job with Ubuntu, Linux, and the many packages that are out there. However there isn't the comparison because of the $ involved in windows. At least that is my thoughts on it. I don't think that wine is a bad thing, and viruses/trojans/worms etc are made in such a way that they will run on anything. I mean have you ever read a virus labeled, for Win XP only. So no I'm not surprised or impressed that a virus runs on wine. If you are going to run those programs and want to protect yourself you better 1. Know the source of where any program came from 2. Have an antivirus that can check for these kind of things. And you should should also realize that this could be a problem with Linux too, you better know the source of where the program came from, or you could have problems in your Linux box.

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    Re: What would happen if you ran a windows virus using Wine?

    Back on topic please.

    NO more references to unsuitable material. I will however leave most of the previous posts in place as they "may" be legitimate.
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    Re: What would happen if you ran a windows virus using Wine?

    Quote Originally Posted by PriceChild View Post
    Back on topic please.

    NO more references to unsuitable material. I will however leave most of the previous posts in place as they "may" be legitimate.
    I just read through this thread, and I completely disagree with your decision to leave the defaming posts by cantormath and StarscreamD.

    They are making harmful comments against another user based solely on their ignorance of the virus under discussion.

    A simple search would have cleared up any of their assertions but they decided to attack Mustard with some pretty vile accusations instead. Even if they are joking, it is not funny.

    See this article which describes the exact behavior shown in the file lists supplied by Mustard:
    http://www.symantec.com/security_res...938-99&tabid=2
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    Re: What would happen if you ran a windows virus using Wine?

    I have re-read and removed all accusations that I can find.

    I'm sorry that I didn't have time earlier to read the entire thread but I have done so now.

    Personally I'm not surprised the virus's run well under wine... they are very basic programs.

    Great experiment though

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    Re: What would happen if you ran a windows virus using Wine?

    If you install wine via synaptic are the default security settings enough to protect your system from Windows viruses?

    Really interesting thread!

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    Re: What would happen if you ran a windows virus using Wine?

    If it just botches your WINE install, then you can re-install. But, if it's re-sending itself from your computer, that's still bad.

    In genetics, your computer would be what's called a "carrier"; it's personally immune to the virus(es) it's carrying, but can transmit them to others.

    For a demonstration of this...go see "28 Weeks Later"
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    Re: What would happen if you ran a windows virus using Wine?

    I wanted to try this out for my self... but sadly I can't find any virii in my linux install. j/k
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